discussion of downing st memo...at dar kush blog

*ok , in case our vast vast inumerable multitudes of curious readers were wondering what's been going on these past few days --well we've been sorta tied up involved in various non-internet projects , but we did have time to manage to have some fun jousting with a dourly humorous guy who calls himself "nobody" concerning the presence of ancient africans in western asia, southern and southeast asia and the pacific .

...and at writer steve barnes' Dar Kush blog , we got involved in a discussion of the "downing st. memo"-the document leaked in which the british government officials basically said the bush administration made a case for war with information "fixed" upon that outcome-war .

--the meaning of the word "fixed" seems important to some--but to this blogger--and perhaps to the vast immeasurable multitudes of our readers , it's like a "slam dunk" --to borrow a phrase from george tenent--that the bush administration led america to war in iraq on evidence they knew was pure bullchips...

steve made the mistake ...lol of asking for "any reasoned critique" ---sooo old longwinded "you know who" had to put his 2 cents in , especially since he's been writing about this war since summer of 2002--almost a year before the actual invasion... each poster's name is found at the end of their post and this blogger's long winded remarks appear in brown to make it easier to tell one comment from the other

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Steve, you might take a look at this analysis of the memo. I heard about this quite some time ago, and through the blessings of the internet was able to read the entire source document for myself. Thanks for posting the link so others can read it, too.
Jonna | Homepage | 05.23.05 - 5:14 pm | #

Just another note-the link is in the "homepage" spot--too long to stick in the message.
Jonna | Homepage | 05.23.05 - 5:16 pm | #

thanks, Jonna. Any reasoned critique from either side is welcome here.
Steve | 05.24.05 - 4:36 pm | #

briefly , from memory , a few random points:

1. bush admin from the start unsuccessfully tried to link saddam regime to 9-11--even though there was no connection

2. no nation in the region considered saddam a threat any longer --except the sharon gang in israel--basically because neutralizing iraq would be a blow to the palestinian cause and give israel a commercial , political and military foothold in northern iraq through alliances with the kurds--and hopefully also giving israel access to iraqi oil by rebuilding the old pipeline from northern iraq to the israeli city of haifa--which was a promise also made to the israelis by ahmed chalabi

3. cheney as vp made unusual visits to cia headquarters-- not so subtly pressuring intel analysts to revise initial assessments in order to make iraq seem a threat --when no threat existed--intel assessments to the contrary were rejected and sent back--cia has been gutted and emasculated ,in part for not showing enough enthusiasm for the bush-war effort --"cooked books" concept applies not just to enron

4. under clinton there were two assassination/coup attemps against saddam using intel gathered from UN american weapons inspectors working for cia --saddam finally put two and two together--figured out that americans were demanding weapons inspector access to all presidential palaces , residents and compounds in order to monitor the volume of electronic communications between saddam's bodyguards--the greatest volume of communications would give coup plotters/assassins a good chance at getting a fix on saddam's actual location and killing him--the guy moved around alot to avoid assassination --when he figured out americans in the UN weapons inspections teams were planting bugs , trying to help kill him , he demanded americans be removed from the Un inspection teams--of course the Us refused --saddam then had little choice left except to remove the inspection teams altogether--it was exactly what the Us hoped for --they had deliberately forced him into non-compliance with Un resolutions

5. the Us bombed iraq on average once a week for 12 years using no-fly zones as an excuse for flying over iraqi territory and denying iraq access to large portions of its own air space--Un did not order creation of the no-fly zones--Us and Uk created and enforced these zones

6. 1,500,000 iraqis died as a result of Un economic sanctions --mostly elderly and children--chlorine was considered a dual purpose item by Un sanctions, meaning it could be used in making weapons --serious shortages of materials needed to purify water resulted--preventable water-borne diseases like diahrrea from drinking dirty water killed tens of thousands
of iraqis . one of saddam's regimes propaganda victories before the 1st gulf war was spending large sums of money to deliver clean drinking water to most iraqis . during the first gulf war the allies violated geneva accords by deliberately bombing iraqi water treatment faci
d sekou | Homepage | 05.25.05 - 3:33 am | #

during the first gulf war the allies violated geneva accords by deliberately bombing iraqi water treatment facilities leaving people only contaminated river water to drink polluted by raw sewage .diseases from dirty drinking water became big killers of iraqi children and elderly

7. the mobile labs that saddam was supposed to be able to launch wmd in 45 minutes from turned out to be weather monitoring equipment --sold to iraq by the Uk

8. former marine and UN weapons inspector scott ritter said a year before the invasion that iraq hemmed and hawed stuttered and stalled but finally did comply and 95% of their wmd had been acounted for and verified as destroyed back in the 90s-the other 5% were destroyed in allied bombings during the gulf war--the serial numbers verified in the records of western nations and russia where they were originally produced and verified also by serial numbers in iraqi records as they were being destroyed in iraq, the country they were sold to .

9. the Us relied heavily upon intel and witness about wmd in iraq provided by ahmed chalabi --an escaped fugitive from justice convicted for massive swindling and bank fraud in jordan and sentenced to 20 years in prison.

chalabi wanted , and still wants to be president of iraq and basically told the americans whatever they wanted to hear in order to get the invasion going--he was also the source of the myth of american soldiers being greeted by grateful iraqis throwing rose petals and kisses--chalabi provided "witnesses" and "scientists" to the americans swearing that saddam had massive wmd chemical , biological , and nuclear--relying on chalabi -a convicted bank swindler with his own ambitious political agenda was total lunacy

10. the bushites knew the yellow cake/niger uranium claim was false --former Us ambassador joseph wilson went to niger to investigate the claim that saddam was trying to obtain uranium for a bomb and found it groundless and reported it in the media---his wife valerie plame's identity was then outed as a covert cia agent as retribution by the bush administration ---a major felony endangering her life and the lives of those associated with her overseas--outing her was an act bordering on treason --in times of war it is treason-- launching the jeff gannon/johnny gosche/jim guckert phoney reporter/gay hustler whitehouse leak scandal --the leak was rumored to have come directly from the whitehouse to phoney reporter gannon/guckert/gosche--the gay hustler with the internet escort service who visited the whitehouse 200 times --sometimes for many hours at a time and without signing out.

11. when sabers began rattling and ultimatums issued , saddam capitulated and allowed UN inspectors back in to verify that iraq had complied and no longer had wmd---the bush administration refused to allow them time to do their job --demanded they leave and then invaded---what was the big rush ?
d sekou | Homepage | 05.25.05 - 3:38 am | #

12. before the invasion saddam's regime released to the UN a 12,000 page report --the records and details of their wmd program ---how they financed it , who they bought from and what they purchased and when---the Us government grabbed it dismissed it as bull--because it probably would have shown that hundreds of major corporations were involved in arming iraq--going back and connected directly to scandals from the reagan and first bush administrations

13. the terrorist group "training camp" ansar "something or other"--i can't recall the exact name --the group bush and powell tried to connect to al-qaeda was operating in northern iraq in the area saddam had no longer had defacto authority in --controlled by america's kurdish allies and the pesh merga militias--militia financed and armed by the Us and trained by the israelis--
d sekou | Homepage | 05.25.05 - 3:39 am | #

no case for war and the bushites knew this and lied and misled the people with one excuse after another to justify this unnecessary war ---and even manipulated re-election
d sekou | Homepage | 05.25.05 - 3:59 am | #

Actually, there was, and is, indeed evidence for a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda:http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level.php?cat=Terrorism&loid=8.0.169852178&par=0


but it has gotten less attention than one might have expected. If I were being cynical I'd say that some in our media aren't exactly happy about giving Bush even partial credit for having had at least a rational case for war.

Answering every other single objection to Bush's policy would be a loooooooooong series of posts, but I'll content myself with briefly noting: Niger =/= Africa, despite Joe Wilson having implied the reverse.
Erich Schwarz | 05.25.05 - 12:16 pm | #

former "prime minister" ayad allawi was little more than a leg breaker for saddam hussein who fell out of favor with the regime .while in europe he was believed by saddam's people to have become a double agent working for british and or us intel . saddam's people tried to kill him by hacking him to death with an axe, but he survived and turned completely . the guy is a murderer and a thug --always has been , probably always will be. he and chalabi made a career of feeding the cia and Us military the kind of info the neo-cons wanted to hear. the guy is a cia stooge and less bright than chalabi but probably more ruthless. when baghdad fell he and chalabi and their private militias were flown in to help run the country by the Us . unfortunately most iraqis distrust these guys and know they work for cia .

allawi and his boys grabbed up some of the headquarters of saddam's secret police and have been cranking out "official" document after "official" document trying to connect al qaeda with saddam's regime. people laugh at this stuff .

i've said it before , but you can check for yourselves , saddam and his sons lived the lives of western playboys--indulging themselves in vice and pleasures of the flesh ...bin laden is an islamic fundamentalist--the pleasures of the flesh are satanic temptations to him --bin laden types give up the pleasures of this world for the paradise of the next --saddam is the exact opposite --his paradise was enjoyed in this world.

the two are totally opposite and mortal enemies . if you put them in the same room they would probably try to kill each other . bin laden views saddam as someone who is as much or more an enemy than the Us because saddam was secular and iraq is a secular state.to bin laden types secular =western=everything immoral they are fighting against .

these two guys working together would be like hugh hefner and john the baptist forming an alliance...bin laden types hate everything saddam stands for and would consider it their duty to overthrow and behead him . saddam knows this and brutally suppressed the fundamentalists--as did hosni mubarak in egypt and assad and his son in syria. it was the fundamentalists who murdered anwar sadat in egypt .


and abu musad al zarqawi--if he really was in iraq was supposedly in the kurdish zone --the area not under saddams regime's control. ansar al islam's training camp --the terrorist camp mentioned by colin powell in his infamous UN power point presentation of half truths and lies was in the kurdish zone where the pesh merga and israeli mossad and elite commandos could have gotten them all but didn't . the Us had the location of the camp well before the invasion but did not bomb it until after the invasion began . if you knew where the camp was well before the invasion and had pesh merga on the ground , then why not go after it then --or at least bomb it --the Us and Uk had been bombing iraq on average of once a week for twelve years--w
d sekou | Homepage | 05.25.05 - 7:08 pm | #

--the Us and Uk had been bombing iraq on average of once a week for twelve years--what stopped them from taking out this big terrorist threat ? i guess they needed zarqawi and ansar al islam's "terrorist" camp as an excuse for the invasion.

ansar al islam and others have been saying that the person the Us calls zarqawi was killed in the bombings that hit the camp shortly after the invasion began. sources in afghanistan say zarqawi saw himself as a rival of bin laden and al qaeda and not an ally.
america will ultimately lose the "war on terror" because of gross incompetence on the part of the neo-cons . the neo-cons don't behave as if they understand the mentality of the islamic world and blunder again and again , over and over alienating more and more people in that part of the world .

ariel sharon must have the greatest difficulty in not laughing out loud at america when he does photo ops and speeches in the Us.

the american press for the most part have been lapdogs of the bush administration concerning this war in iraq --regurgitating without question the lies the bushies spin out and have abdicated their responsibility of presenting information honestly to the american people.
d sekou | Homepage | 05.25.05 - 7:13 pm | #

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/18034
d sekou | Homepage | 05.26.05 - 2:00 am | #

"http://www.washington%20post.com/wp...er=emailarticle">http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp...er=emailarticle

not satisfied with the quagmire in iraq , neo-con richard perle calls for invasion of iran at AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) annual convention...guest speaker --sec of state condie rice
d sekou | Homepage | 05.26.05 - 2:50 am | #

"Surge in US deaths in Iraq draws concern" http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldl...5028900,00.html


70 attacks a day ...at first it was a dozen attacks a day --then it doubled --then it was three dozen attacks a day--now that has doubled --despite the massive assault on fallujah--that was suposed to break the resistance , and the recent photos of a captured saddam in his undies --supposed to demoralize the resistance--the resistance has only grown more sophisticated in its abilities---the Us has bungled this war so badly that now it may be impossible to win it . bush should be impeached
d sekou | Homepage | 05.26.05 - 3:09 am | #

D Sekou,

Again, you're writing at vast length, far beyond anything I have time or space to comment on. Two points you make are particularly striking, though:

"former 'prime minister' ayad allawi was little more than a leg breaker for saddam hussein who fell out of favor with the regime."

"the Us has bungled this war so badly that now it may be impossible to win it"

Which leads me to ask a few Deep Questions of my own:

What the hell has this got to do with whether intelligence on Iraq was misrepresented?

Why exactly do you prefer keeping Saddam Hussein in power to having Allawi win a fair election carried out under conditions that would make most Americans soil their own undergarments in fear?

What are your objective, empirically testable criteria for falsification of the remarkable claim that we are losing in Iraq?

And, again, what does your remarkable hatred of seeing the U.S. actually overthrow a vicious dictator without French permission have to do with the original point Steve raised?
Anonymous | 05.26.05 - 12:07 pm | #

"What the hell has this got to do with whether intelligence on Iraq was misrepresented?"

both ayad allawi and ahmed chalabi were set up with millions of Us taxpayer dollars in order to create "iraqi exile" organizations-- each potentially vying to be the officially reognized iraqi government in exile by the Us and installed in power once saddam was assassinated or toppled by the americans .

when the assassination /coup attempts failed , invasion and regime change became the alternative means to install a new "leader" in iraq .


chalabi and allawi appeared to have an on-going "whoppers" contest telling the pentagon and neo-con idiots and the israelis whatever they wanted to hear in order to be the new leader.
the pentagon , the neo-cons and the izzies should have known better , but the fact that they relied on these two exiled iraqis shows their degree of disconnect from reality and capacity for self delusion . --it's "the noble lie" of the straussians --borrowed from the nazis concept


it was chalabi and allawi who told the pentagon that iraqis would greet them with flowers and kisses--note the newsweek cover of the iraqi man kissing an american soldier on the cheek--it was one of chalabi's guys flown in for the photo op --just as it was chalabi's guys flown in by the pentagon for the "breathtaking" photo of the saddam statue pulldown in firdos square in baghdad--photos taken from a nearby hotel show the square was actually deserted --except for chalabi's guys and Us marines --nothing at all like the tumultuous crowds scene of the "liberated" that american media puppydogs tried to convince the world were there--this staged scene alone shows the Us knew they were being fed lies and used those lies to convince a highly gullible american public to support the Us petro-war in iraq .

foreign journalists staying in a nearby hotel --the "palestine" or "lebanon" hotel--i think the name was-- were fired upon by Us troops for
puncturing the neo-con spin bubble and taking photos from the hi-rise hotel of firdos square showing it to be completely empty excepting for marines and a few dozen chalabi guys--at least one of those foreign reporters was killed if memory is correct --but most in the Us never saw the photos showing the firdos square "liberation " scene to be a staged fake .

it was alawi who helped sell the lie to the Us and the world that saddam was able to launch wmd at europe in less than 45 minutes..allawi was in on the "saddam smuggled yellow cake uranium from niger through libya" lie ...allawi "discovered" phoney documents saying saddam trained mohammad atta to hi-jack airliners and saddam was connected to al qaeda...it was also allawi who made up the lie that saddam had stashed $40 billion stolen dollars in banks around the world--allawi and chalabi both wanted to be the new iraqi leader--their private militias failed at coup and assassination--despite considerable Us technical and m
d sekou | Homepage | 05.27.05 - 11:34 pm | #

their private militias failed at coup and assassination--despite considerable Us technical and material assistance ---so they both told the neo-cons what the neo-cons wanted the american people to hear--saddam was an imminent threat and had to be invaded and toppled. the neo-cons ignored realistic intel they were receiving that said chalabi and allawi were full of it and instead chose to make a case for war on intel they knew was lies.
d sekou | Homepage | 05.27.05 - 11:37 pm | #

"Why exactly do you prefer keeping Saddam Hussein in power to having Allawi win a fair election carried out under conditions that would make most Americans soil their own undergarments in fear?"

i don't prefer keeping saddam in power and never did---he obviously sucks too.

the questions you should ask is how did saddam GET in power and WHO armed him and WHO encouraged him to go to war with iran and later kuwait and WHO gave him regular satellite intel showing him exactly where the iranian troops were concentrated and told him to shoot his chemical weapons to those coordinates for the greatest killing effect ? --but if you asked those questions then saddam and "chemical ali " wouldn't be the only two on trial for war crimes --would they ?

saddam began his career at age 22 as a hitman in a coup attempt against then iraqi leader colonel kassim-- a guy who was too soviet leaning for america's tastes and hinted at nationalizing iraq's oil .

saddam and three other guys ambushed kassim's car but saddam was too anxious and would not wait till the agreed upon moment --kassim was wounded and his driver killed . fugitive saddam escaped from the area by swimming i believe either the tigris or euphrates river --for years after when he finally became strong man in iraq --he would swim the same river to celebrate his escape.

young saddam ended up in jordan and was eventually hustled off by his american cia handlers to egypt where they paid for an apartment for him for about a year before kassim was finally killed or couped and saddam returned to iraq...

allawi could probably never win a fair election and had to be appointed interim prime minister because like chalabi and saddam before them both , he has the taint of american cia tool upon him ...and isn't trusted or liked but is feared by some iraqis--he had a reputation for brandishing a pistol to intimidate people even when he was a med school "student"--a legbreaker and thug is what he has always been...



the blog entry "from bad to worse" a long but useful read gives some interesting info about "dr." allawi--including this activity reported one week before assuming interim prime ministership :

"In mid-July, the Bagdad correspondent for the Sydney Morning Herald, Paul McGeogh, reported that two eye-witnesses stated that the week prior to the handover of power that Allawi had drawn a pistol and executed up to six people detained for suspected attacks on Iraqi and U.S forces."
d sekou | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 12:13 am | #

link's not working but the blog entry and article can be found under october 21, 2004 section and titled, "from bad to worse"
d sekou | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 12:17 am | #

Gravatar "What are your objective, empirically testable criteria for falsification of the remarkable claim that we are losing in Iraq?"

is that like that old question "do you still beat your wife?"

the insurgency has in only 2 years grown from an average of 12 attacks a day to 70 attacks a day.

the sophistication and coordination of the attacks continues to increase . despite the Us best efforts at "surgically" eliminating the resistance --as in the massive ,costly and militarily useless destruction in fallujah-civilians were the only big losers --the resistance left a few zealots seeking instant martrydom and some green recruits needing experience--the junior varsity--while the varsity team slipped away well in advance as usual and created havoc elsewhere .

the iraqis deeply resent that the bulk of the jobs reconstructing iraq have not gone to desperately unemployed iraqis and iraqi companies--but to american companies and the money stays in american pockets .

the Us is losing in iraq because it should not have been there in the first place .this war has turned the whole world against america.

the whole world including much of the populations of the "coalition of the willing" know it is a petro-war with nothing to do with wmd .

the whole world knows america is fighting a war of aggression against a nation that was no threat to it

.america has been estimated to have killed 100,000 people in this war--yet american generals appear on cnn and callously say they don't even keep iraqi death tolls and body counts --the message unwittingly sent is that iraqi lives don't matter to the Us --since the americans preciously , meticulously count each of their own killed , injured and wounded.

the iraqis hate the americans more and more each day with every death the americans cause , with every slight and insult the americans inflict with every custom the americans violate --like going into mosques wearing shoes-- the abuse of prisoners at abu ghraib, the secret agreements made without consulting the iraqi people allowing foreign investors to buy up interests in iraqs oil-- the destroyed electrical infrastructure -- the destroyed water treatment infrastructure -- the high gasoline prices and shortages -- the 50 % to 70% unemployment -- the dissolution of police and the army and the rampant crime -- the kicking down of doors -- disrespect shown to iraqi homes and iraqi women-- handcuffing, hooding and dragging off for questioning young men , old men and little boys --holding prisoners indefinitely without charges --the idiotic insult of referring to this "war on terror" as a "crusade"--the 4 million pounds of depleted uranium munitions dust gradually circulating into the air and water of iraq's land and cities and the memories of horribly deformed fetuses and cancers from du weapons used in the first gulf war-- i can go on and on--all of it shows the Us has failed to win over the population--the only way to defeat a deter
d sekou | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 9:17 am | #

--the only way to defeat a determined insurgency besides genocide against the civilians, is to win over the civilians--"hearts and minds" is the expression --the Us alienates more iraqis everyday--with every arrest and detention--every time they manhandle and humiliate people--with every burst of panic-stricken gunfire --with every unarmed civilian they shoot and the hardships on the iraqi families the Us creates.

-i first knew this war was lost when those 4 "contractors" were killed and burned and hung from the bridge in fallujah and the people there cheered.

i said to myself as i watched the news that day --the "contractors" were former special forces elite soldiers--experienced former elite soldiers --the best in the world and they were ambushed that easily? the resistance must have SERIOUS inside intel to catch these guys in an ambush...

as the ambush happened , the new iraqi police stood by , watched and did not lift a finger or radio it in for help--that's when i first knew this war was lost--the americans were clueless about the people of iraq and the iraqis they were paying to help them find a clue--didn't lift a finger to save them---vietnam all over again--and vietnam is the war of insurgency which the iraqi resistance have reportedly planned this war of insurgency after ...

earlier this week listening on the radio to a report given by bbc journalist phillip rees--he described the visit of a colonel in the new iraqi security forces to an elementary school --basically a pr --"hearts and minds" type thing--after pleasantries were exchanged between school officials and the military , the colonel then showed pictures of suspected insurgents and mentioned names and asked if any of the children recognized or knew any of these people. phillip rees reported that all the iraqi army received from these children was stoney silence--even the little kids know not to cooperate with the invaders--and other than massive brutality or genocide--the only way to win against a determined insurgency is gaining the trust and active cooperation of the locals---something the Us clearly does not have . so far this war has cost the Us taxpayers $300 billion in only 2 years --at this rate who can hold out longer--the american taxpayer or the iraqis?
...to win an insurgency type of war, all the insurgents need do is hold out longer than their opponent can afford to--then wait for him to leave and declare victory-- just as in vietnam
d sekou | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 9:22 am | #

"And, again, what does your remarkable hatred of seeing the U.S. actually overthrow a vicious dictator without French permission have to do with the original point Steve raised?"

hatred is a rather strong term --i feel no hatred for anyone , any nation or any thing.

saddam appears to me to have been duped by the west --as in used and then thrown away--yeah undoubtedly saddam was a vicious dictator and a murderer and deserves whatever punishment he gets ,but give even the devil his due--oil money was spent -at "considerable cost" to make available safe drinking water to most iraqis under his regime--the allies in the first gulf war deliberately targeted for destruction the iraqi water treatment plants--a clear violation of the geneva accords prohibiting destruction of infrastructure needed for civilian life.. . basic universal education was also put into effect under the saddam regime --iraqis and palestinians reportedly have the highest literacy rates among the arab world--saddam's regime provided universal health care to the iraqis--iraq had a better ratio of doctors per 100 people than the Us--of course everything the guy built he named after himself but he did filter some of the oil money down to improve the lives of the people and iraq was a modern--tho clearly not democratic nation by regional standards...

he used chemical weapons against the iranians --with Us help of course but there was a ny times article stating that the infamous gassing of the kurds was done by iranian chemical weapons --by a type of gas the iraqis didn't have .

yes saddam invaded kuwait but kuwait was at one time part of iraq--until the brits divided it off and installed its leaders . the kuwaitis were believed to be doing slant drilling across the kuwait/iraq border siphoning off iraqi oil. at the same time , the kuwaitis did have quiet assurances that the Us would back them in a confrontation with saddam--was this the old school yard trick clever kids use to get other kids to fight each other ? how come no one asks that question ?

the Us ambassador april glaspie when personally warned by saddam that if negotiations to stop the kuwaitis didn't work that he would resort to military action , did appear to give saddam a green light to invade when she told him america wasn't interested in getting involved in his iraq/kuwaiti border disputes--almost at the same time america was assuring kuwait that the Us had kuwait's back in aconfrontation with saddam... the daddy bush administration did lie and show the saudis and others faked satellite intel showing saddams troops massed on the saudi border when he clearly stopped well before it--so the claims that he was a hitler trying to take over saudi arabia too and control the world's oil supplies and thus bring the west to its knees--were more lies . . the story about iraqi soldiers throwing kuwati babies out of incubators and stealing the incubators was also fake--and the girl making the claim a li
d sekou | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 10:50 am | #

the story about iraqi soldiers throwing kuwati babies out of incubators and stealing the incubators was also fake--and the girl making the claim a liar and member of the kuwaiti elite families--seems the first gulf war was fought for as staged and phoney reasons as the second gulf war...bush and his daddy the culprits in office at the times...now should we ask if granddaddy prescot bush was ever involved in creating an international "boogeyman" that the Us then went after and destroyed in a costly war that also generated billions of dollars in revenues for big defense contractors ? (see the "bush book" on-line at www.tarpley.net -- the chapter titled "the hitler project")

like grandfather -like father-like son--all hogs at the trough--seems that with the bush family --the acorns don't fall far from the trees --

and the french--to their credit-- said show us the evidence and chirac promised to send troops to iraq --if the inspectors were first allowed to do their job--the Us refused --so why villify the french for being reasonable ?
d sekou | Homepage | 05.28.05 - 10:54 am | #